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Living Your Sobriety, Creativity, and Authenticity: The Sacred Chaos of Reinvention with Rosie Pryor
In this episode of the Changeology podcast, I’m joined by transformational coach, writer, and speaker Rosie Pryor, founder of The Creative Tapes podcast and creator of The Pivot Code program.
Rosie shares her story of personal reinvention through sobriety—not as a story of deprivation, but one of radical joy, creativity, and the kind of agency most of us never learned to claim. From growing up in a culture where alcohol was the default social lubricant to redefining fun, identity, and motherhood without it, Rosie invites us into what happens when we stop performing and start becoming.
We also talk about the invisible grief that often comes with change, and why so many of us feel like we're falling apart when we’re actually on the brink of rebirth. This conversation is packed with wisdom on self-trust, social conditioning, and how small shifts (like writing yourself a daily permission slip) can lead to massive personal power.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
🌟 Why you don’t need to hit rock bottom to start over
🌟 The surprising connection between sobriety, creativity, and personal freedom
🌟 How grief shows up in every transformation—and how to move through it
🌟 A practical framework to take your power back (CUP: Celebrate, Unsubscribe, Permission)
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0:01 - Meg Trucano
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the changeology podcast. Today I am so excited to chat with Rosie Pryor.
She is a transformational coach speaker and the creative force behind the creation takes podcast.
@0:24 - Rosie Pryor
Rosie, welcome. It's so great to have you here. Meg, thank you so much for having me.
@0:30 - Meg Trucano
I'm so excited to be here. Oh, we've been both looking forward to this. The stars finally aligned to get it to make it happen.
you know, Rosie, got connected and through mutual acquaintances. And we met and we chatted and it's like this instant connection.
We have so much in common. But I really want the audience to get to know who you are.
@0:58 - Rosie Pryor
Your energy is just.
@1:00 - Meg Trucano
It's the best. So let's dive right in. Who is Rosie Pryor? And what's your story?
@1:07 - Rosie Pryor
Oh, ah, this is such a good question.
@1:11 - Meg Trucano
Um, okay. So first of all, how long do you have? You got about eight hours.
@1:15 - Rosie Pryor
Okay. Great. Now that we've established that. I, so my story, would like to say I, you know, I have two birthdays.
One is my actual birthday. You know, my belly button birthday. And then my other one is my sober birthday, which is so safer to me.
@1:36 - Meg Trucano
Um, when is it?
@1:38 - Rosie Pryor
It's actually coming up this week.
@1:40 - Meg Trucano
Oh my gosh.
@1:41 - Rosie Pryor
April 4th, April 4th, and I'll make seven years.
@1:47 - Meg Trucano
Oh, congratulations.
@1:50 - Rosie Pryor
Thank you so much, Meg, and I'm about to cry. Um, but no, it's just, I feel like that is the moment when my life began.
No. When I gave up alcohol and I decided it was no longer for me, and it was no longer serving my highest good, that is when I finally, I would say got to, but also had to get to know myself.
There was no more running away. There's no more ignoring everything that alcohol sort of covered over or obscured. It was very much a coming to the realization that I had a lot of work to do.
And it wasn't, I would like to be sort of a contrarian to the popular belief of what getting sober is, because I think there's such a stigma around, especially Mom's Meg, know, like this was, it's so hard because alcohol is so impressed upon us as the only tool for surviving.
And I don't want to survive. I want to thrive. You know what I mean? It's like if we're having to survive, what does that say about the lives that we're living and how do we uplevel that?
And so I started doing the work to unravel my thoughts around what alcohol was, okay? we and I grew up in southern Louisiana, I mean, and I'm taking you back a long time.
But we are all about, you know, the football games, the crawfish boils, these are beautiful gatherings and they all come with a heavy amount of drinking.
They all come with alcohol is involved. If it's not involved, there's more of a question, like they say, you know, alcohol is the only drug that people ask you why you're not doing it, right?
people, you get for not doing it, okay? But it is classified as the mind altering stuff, it's all these things.
So, I felt like that was the point, when I started to change my thinking about it, instead of just changing what I was doing, I changed my entire reality because I believe that our reality is just a 3D printout of our thoughts.
And so when I decided or I figured out and researched that alcohol actually isn't doing anything that I promised, it is, you know, it's not making cuter Meg, it wasn't making me cuter, it wasn't making me smarter, it wasn't actually solving any of my problems, it was creating them.
And it wasn't necessary for me to be social, being social is just something that we kind of don't learn how to do, there's an art to it, and we don't learn that art in school, know, instead we learn compound equations or whatever it is that we're never going to need again.
But there are these certain aspects of You know being alive in the world that we don't we don't get that kind of education So I just had it was like I just had to teach my I had to relearn and I had to teach myself how To to get to the end of the day and not need a drink instead of that Choosing to do something else choosing to get out my pen and my paper and either sketching something or writing Or it's like I had such a joyful experience of getting sober and and I just want to express that And I'm and I'm meant to do it more succinctly No, I love it, you know, I just get these are my rabbit holes Meg I've all you know I that comes with the ADHD, but it's it's one of those things where I I Had my experience of it was so joyful and so beautiful and so enriching that that's what I want to convey Is that it does not have to be this very uptight extreme Um, fun anymore because
sobriety is where I found my fun. I learned to dance in my sobriety. You know what I mean? Like, there's so much possibility.
So I feel like that is, that was the start of my story. That's when I started writing, that's when I started doing my art and really, really stepped into who I was.
@6:17 - Meg Trucano
Oh, I love that. And I love that re conceptualization of getting sober as like, we're not into like the like heavy discipline.
It's like a joy and like how much I recently heard something, it's it's not discipline. And I loved that idea devoted to creating your life instead of being so disciplined, you know, and I'm sure that's part of it.
But I loved your. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's removing the rigidity and the structure from it.
@6:52 - Rosie Pryor
And it's thinking it's something that's accessible and exciting and adventurous. I think, especially as And I'm going to come back to the mom point is that it's like we're immediately thrust in to motherhood.
And we have to change our identities immediately with kind of no warning. And so we're automatically doing that. And then so the thought of because I think a lot of moms, especially after COVID, there were a lot of moms that were relying a lot like alcohol consumption went up about 200%.
It was absolutely insane numbers. was like the, it was the underlying pandemic of the pandemic that, you know, it was a thing that no one was talking about.
But completely alcohol sales skyrocketed, specifically among mothers of stay at home, stay home moms with kids. And the issue with that is that there's no, it's like, it's such a shameful and stigmatized thing.
that if if we were to look for help, you wouldn't like you'd be scared to get caught if you say like going to a 12 step meeting when you knew because then everybody would know that you were the one that had the problem and you don't necessarily you don't have to have a problem to stop you don't to hit a rock bottom to stop you just got to stop digging you know so when we for moms we get to that motherhood step and then to even conceptualize like you were saying conceptualize of that conceptualize creating a new identity for ourselves which involves the thing that we've been trained to believe has to be inextricably linked to our identity to think about detaching from that is unthinkable is unthinkable i remember being i mean and i like whoever is out there
universe, source, you can take anything from me. You can have anything you want, but you cannot take my alcohol.
You cannot take that from me. Do you know what I'm saying? Like this has been my identity for so long.
@9:15 - Meg Trucano
It's what makes me fun.
@9:16 - Rosie Pryor
It's what makes me all these things. So then what happens when you realize that's never been the truth. That's never been real.
Like that was, that's been fed to us since we were spoon fed up, since we were babies. that doesn't, it doesn't have to be our reality unless we believe it is our reality, then it absolutely can be.
So it's very difficult, and this is the challenge of being a mom. Like we're immediately thrust into that and then to think about, oh my God, becoming a sober mom.
@9:49 - Meg Trucano
no, thank you.
@9:50 - Rosie Pryor
Like, I think, no, no, no, I'll just learn how to control it or I'll learn how to do that.
Which, I mean, listen, I could, obviously. like, I'm writing a book on the subject. I could go on and on.
I'm very passionate about this. But I think that you, you know, it's, it's so, it's such a tricky thing because it's so attached to all of our, our social, our friends, and there's always grief that comes with evolution.
There's always level of grief. And sometimes it's so unthinkable that we can't get to the next step. Right. That's where that's where a lot of us are stuck.
@10:30 - Meg Trucano
Yeah. Yeah. love that idea about, about grief because, you know, a lot of times that grief, I was just speaking with someone the other day who lost their, their job totally unexpectedly, right?
um, and she's, she, she was considering working with me and I was like, look, I will work absolutely, well, but you're not ready yet.
have to grieve. You have to grieve your old identity. You have to grieve. of the sort of the content of what you thought your future would be, right?
Like that changing understanding of who you are in this world, it's so huge and it is grief. It's not grief in like losing a loved one, but it kind of is, right?
So I'm super interested in this idea of like getting to the real rosy, alcohol was sort of lying to you this whole time, sort of pretending like it was being all these things for you, making you pretty, making you interesting, making you fun, all that kind of stuff which you just are.
But like what was that process like of peeling back the layers and what helped you really find your center and your authentic self.
@11:53 - Rosie Pryor
Okay, this is a great question. Okay. So what the peeling back of the layers you know, as I said, it's been, it's been a seven year peeling right.
this is not by any means a fast track. It's not a quick fix at all. And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to portray the wrong idea about that because it is, you know, it does take, it does take work.
But it's good, you know, it's work that is that is self esteem building. It's, it's all, it's like. I remember I was in, I was in outpatient therapy for a while.
And one of the things that our counselor would say was in order to have self esteem, you have to do a single things.
Stack up a steamable action. how are you going to do that? sometimes a lot of the times the, you got to act before you believe it.
You got to step into action before you believe it is so so that you can live it. to that.
And I found that that was something that you almost you have to trust before you even have it to give if that makes sense.
But you have to start trusting in the process. And I think that was one of the most tricky parts.
But the first thing the first thing that I did was you know the alcohol done some like okay it's like the waters are clear you know and this is one of the metaphors they use is it's like the waters are clear you're not you're not driving a speedboat through the river anymore so you can't see anything.
And now you've got to look at both the wreckage and the treasure beneath the surface right you got to get through the shipwreck that you've been plowing through on this alcohol trajectory and you got to get really clear about what's underneath.
So what are some things that helped me with that. Writing helps me with that. think writing is a free completely free.
mostly accessible tool to a large percentage of the population that we just don't tap into. One, because we're afraid of what we're gonna find, I believe that is, you know, that's a fear.
think some people, I work with people that are just like, I can't, I can't journal, like I don't want to know what's, I don't know what want to know what's underneath.
But it's and so it's tricky and it's this process of really getting back to yourself. And I've got this, this process that I use and I call it the morning pulp.
It's taken from, I don't know if you've heard of the artist's way.
@14:39 - Meg Trucano
I love that book.
@14:44 - Rosie Pryor
got, she's got the process called the morning pages. And so I did that. I started that when I got sober and I turned it into my own sort of rendition of it.
just two pages and it's it's you know it's more of a deep kind of roughage look everything and that is how honestly like that is how I came to be able to process things without the alcohol at the end of the day so I got a morning routine like a morning ritual that I do and this is a non-negotiable for me if we're if we have to wake up for a five-inch light I'm up at three and I know this sound I know it sounds extreme but it's so important to me to clear because what this does writing first thing in the morning right it's before your critic has time to get online so bye bye but yeah so it's like you're disrupting that system before it has time to come online it's purging it's it's giving all the intrusive thoughts and all the worries and all the worries place to land so that you can become a vessel
what's true, so that you can become and tap into your creative life force, like what you're meant to be and what your purpose is.
And that gets you really clear. So you quit, you know, like first stage, get rid of the alcohol, second stage, tap into creativity, start writing, get rid of all the, you know, all the excess, so that you can get really clear on what alcohol.
And I said, you know, and I was talking to my client and I said, what would you do if no one needed anything for me today?
If money were no objects and no one needed anything for me today, what would you do? And she said, I'm 48 years old and I've got no idea.
@16:50 - Meg Trucano
Yeah, I find that in my clients too, or a subtle variation that actually ties back to something that you said a little while.
go is they know but they won't they won't allow themselves to want it they won't allow themselves to accept it it's like I know that wanting to be an artist or writer uh you know do something different from my career you know gets over anything but I don't want I don't want to admit it because as soon as I admit it it's a it's a real thing and I've got to do something with it right and it that act of of accepting and honoring that authenticity that truth that peeling back of the layers that finding in and rediscovery it's such a it requires so much courage so much courage and you know we are conditioned as you know social group to want specific things in our lives right and most of us are like cool on it and excel our way to those things
Right. we never have a model for questioning things. We never have someone in our lives who's like, no, thank you.
I'm not, I'm not cool. Like, I, no, thank you. I don't want to drink. And they're cool and they're, they're fun and they're spontaneous and all the things that you don't have a model for.
Right. So yeah, I, what you just said completely resonated with me and my experience with clients as well. Um, but creativity.
Getting, getting back to what you were doing with the morning pages and your morning pulp.
@18:34 - Rosie Pryor
that what you call that? it's like the raw material that makes up. You know what I mean? Like it's like the raw material you can use to, to develop like whatever it is you're developing.
Like, I just, I like to think of it. I, you know, I sometimes draw like an orange slice on my.
@18:53 - Meg Trucano
Every what I'm doing.
@18:55 - Rosie Pryor
You know, you squeeze out the juice and you get to what's good.
@18:59 - Meg Trucano
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love it. And I too practice morning pages. The artists really transformed how I thought about my creativity.
for those that don't know, I'm a watercolorist and I've been trying really, really hard to cultivate a constant creative practice.
the only thing that helps me to get all that out of the way is morning pages, because you've got to flush out the before you can get into the creativity part.
@19:31 - Rosie Pryor
I mean, I feel like this should be paid advertising.
@19:34 - Meg Trucano
I know right. Julia, we'll take our checks in mail.
@19:38 - Rosie Pryor
Thank you. her Julia too. It's so funny.
@19:40 - Meg Trucano
Everybody's just Julia chick. I'm like, we're best friends. She doesn't know it. That's exactly.
@19:49 - Rosie Pryor
I mean, I was so as you were speaking on not having a model for this work, Meg, I just think that
It just, it makes me well up with tears because I just, it's so hard when you don't even know that it's an option.
@20:10 - Meg Trucano
Yeah.
@20:11 - Rosie Pryor
To do things another way.
@20:14 - Meg Trucano
Yeah.
@20:14 - Rosie Pryor
Well, and you don't, like you said, like, I didn't have anybody in my life. It's like, I'm super, it's amazing.
It was like, oh my God, you get sober your life ends. Who wants to do that? And who says, like, who is, who is modeling for us that it's okay to not follow the rules.
We don't even know what it's like on the other side.
@20:33 - Meg Trucano
So we just have to follow them.
@20:36 - Rosie Pryor
And that's the fear is it's like, if I say that out loud, if I admit my choice, that means I have to do something about it.
And then what we don't have people to hold our hand during this, during that process. And that's why I am so grateful for the work that gets to do and the work that you were doing.
@20:55 - Meg Trucano
Oh my gosh.
@20:57 - Rosie Pryor
Well, like, we just need somebody to hold our hand. That's bringing us to the other side because the transition it can be it's such a sacred and holy space.
It's such a sacred space.
@21:10 - Meg Trucano
Totally agree that word is absolutely perfect because it's like we we are it really is like a sacred responsibility and gift to be able to show someone else their own power and their own agency and their options and it's like girl no you've got you've got all this possibility you're you've just been trained to look at this small cross-section of it but actually the world is so much bigger and more beautiful than you had any idea you know and that is a sacred response take it very seriously I know you do too and we are constantly trying to I know
We're the same in this way.
@22:01 - Rosie Pryor
We're constantly trying to find new ways to connect with people who are like, oh, hi, can I, can I, can I, can I, I do something differently, know, and, and really want to, to take that chance, because we really like, the one life thing is really true as far as we it's so necessary to, for those who have been there and know how isolating this process can be, if you don't have the support, if you don't have, like you said, models, you can just totally, when the grief sets in and you realize, because what happens when you up level is there, like we talked about, like there is a period of loss, grief that happens, and you don't, it feels like,
Everything is completely falling apart and that is what stops people from doing the work. That is exactly where people stop dead in their tracks, is because they don't know.
They're like, this is too much pain. I can't even go there because I'm losing my friends, I'm losing my family.
Putting up these boundaries is keeping me from other people and it's really just showing you what no longer works, but it feels like destruction.
It feels like reinvention, rebirth, re-imagining your life feels it can feel like destruction before you get to the other side.
so, it is terrifying. There's a quote that I love about, it's about, in order for the seed to reach its fullest expression, it has to become completely undone.
sides explode on the outside, everything cracks and shatters. And I'm getting the chills thinking about this is like to anyone who does not understand growth, it looks like destructive.
And that is how the seed is grown. It is the only way there is no fast track. There is no there is no quick fix, there is no zooming through the transition.
I think that's the hard part of growth also in this culture is that everyone is in such a rush to get the success and to be able to post it on Instagram and to be able to say I made it that we forget it happens in levels and it happens in layers like you can only get to the next level when you can see the portal to the next level and you can't get there until you're ready to get there and it does feel like the start.
and it does feel like devastation. And if you can hold out and you can find someone to hold your hand and tell you, yes, it is gonna be okay.
And I've had those women in my life and I don't know what I would do without them.
@25:13 - Meg Trucano
Same.
@25:15 - Rosie Pryor
That is how we each other. That's how we raise the vibration of the world as far as I'm concerned.
Like, and I know that's super broad and universal, but like that's how I feel. Like that's how change starts.
@25:28 - Meg Trucano
Yeah, I totally agree. And I think getting back to what stops people before, it's the lack of models, certainly.
like, even just like a non, the absence of awareness of that there could be something different, something really exciting.
But there's also this profound, I find, I find that our culture, particularly among... specific groups of women or people socialized as women, self-trust is a huge issue.
They, like, we are completely abdicating our sovereignty in most ways, and, you know, and it's unintentional. It's, oh, this person must have this expertise, this insight, this knowledge that I don't have, so of course they know better, so of course I'm gonna do what they say.
I should do. Or, you know, it could manifest itself as being like, oh, I'm gonna look at all the mommy blogs and figure out the way to raise my child, and I'm gonna do it this perfectly, I think that there is this beauty in turning inward and being like, shut the hell up, everyone else.
I'm trying to think here, know, and really going towards and being like, all right, all right, what do you want?
What's going on here? What, and, at that exploration and that coming to know yourself and then trusting yourself once you found out what it is you want, what it is you can do, right?
And it just changes the game. Completely changes it.
@27:16 - Rosie Pryor
You just, you said that so beautifully. I wanted to record you and then I realized that we are. Oh, Okay, but you know the way that you spoke on how far we are pulled from our you don't feel like you should be an attorney.
What's that feeling? No, you can smoosh that down. You should go ahead and do because that's what successful people do.
Here's the model. Successful people work really hard, they play by the rules, they do an 8 to 5, they get their 401k, and then they retire and live off the land or whatever.
You know, have all that whatever. It is whatever and it's also whose plan is that? Whose plan is that?
that's why sobriety kind of blew the cap off my mind because I accepted that as my truth. accepted that alcohol was the way to being wild and crazy and fun and free.
It was liberation. I think that's what it is. It's packaged as liberation. This is the only time mommy can have time to herself and it breaks my heart.
Because if that's the case, if that's the only freedom that we have, what are we doing here? That's not like that's that that's
can't be real or I don't want to do it.
@29:02 - Meg Trucano
Yeah.
@29:03 - Rosie Pryor
You know, like this. So then what are you going to do? And so then if that wasn't true, I thought, well, what if, well, is this true?
Do I necessarily have to to work as a eight to five massage therapists at a spa? Do I necessarily have to teach 100 yoga classes a week to make enough money?
Do I necessarily have to do a master's program to get counseling in order to coach people to be to feel better and to take these leaps?
do I necessarily have to be married? No, I didn't have to do any of those things. And as I find that as I deconstruct all these different paradigms and all these different, you know, structures and programs that we're embedded with as we just as a product of being in this world, I wouldn't blame anyone for that programming.
It's our culture. But if that's not true, then what else? Then what else? And it keeps asking and I wake up and I'm like, so what else?
Well, is it, is that true? Do I accept that to be true? if it doesn't feel good for me, let's explore it.
Let's just, you know, let's do a little bit of research, let's figure it out. let's try, let's try life without it.
Let's unsubscribe. You know, I talk a lot about pulling out like, and this could be, this is unsubscribing from people in your news, feed on Instagram.
Does this make you feel good about yourself? Or do you like shaming yourself for not looking like this person at 6 a.m.
@30:31 - Meg Trucano
the morning?
@30:32 - Rosie Pryor
You know what I mean, we really need to be exposing ourselves to these things, but just kind of make us feel like .
You know, do I, do I need to be involved in this PTA organization where every time I walk in there, I question my outfit.
Am I too much? Is that good for me? Do I need to do that? says, who says? And what if I don't?
What happens? What's the worst, worst case scenario that? So and so and so and so and so you get bumped to the bottom of the list you don't get invited to the barbecue.
All right, so what? You didn't like these people anyway, and let me tell you what? These are the people you're having a drink to be around if you feel like you need to drink to be around people These probably aren't your people.
@31:18 - Meg Trucano
Oh my god. That is so good. Yes.
@31:21 - Rosie Pryor
Yes.
@31:21 - Meg Trucano
It's probably not your people Yeah, and you know, I would say the same goes for you know if you feel like Every time you go into a specific social situation or anytime you're just meh about a social situation I'm like come on guys.
Let's let's raise the bar a little bit like your time is precious You don't need to go to the PTA if it doesn't mean anything about your parenting skills.
If you're not on the PTA, you know questioning Questioning these things about what it means to be Insert role here could be mother could be sober could be you know
anything we like to identify, you know, chalk up our identity with. okay. When you realize that you get to choose, it changes everything.
It changes everything. I, I have had a really tough time in the first two years of my kids' lives.
They, I mean, they're twins, so it's a little bit, a little bit more handful. But like I was questioning everything and I was talking with a coach and she said, and I was like, oh, you know, there's this time frame between when I pick them up from daycare and when my husband gets home and I, when I have to start cooking dinner and, you know, like cooking with one hand and keeping them from killing themselves with the other hand, and just like, I was, I was mean, carry mommy by the end of it almost every day.
single day and I was causing me this immense stress and she said, my coach said, okay, so what if you didn't cook dinner?
@33:11 - Rosie Pryor
I was like, what does that even mean?
@33:14 - Meg Trucano
What? Not even cook dinner? She's like, yeah, like, what if you, what if you had peanut butter and jelly every night for a week?
Like, what would that mean about your eating mom? And I was like, like, I immediately had this, like, oh, hell no reaction to it, you know, like, no way my kids are eating that every day in the, you know, then I started thinking about it.
was like, if what I want is to not be mean, scary mommy because of the stress that cooking for them, cooking, like, they're not elaborate meals, but they're like, you know, I like to cook.
it's that's part of like how I show love to people. And but like, honestly, that's kind of lost on it too.
Old. So maybe it is just chicken nuggets and a, you know, a vegetable and we'll call it a night.
It does not have to be and doesn't mean anything about my quality as a mother. And if it actually frees me up to step further into the identity of being a good mom by not snapping at my kids, what's the decision, right?
What's the decision?
@34:22 - Rosie Pryor
Oh my God, yes that and it's and and here's the thing. You just need someone to offer it as an option.
@34:39 - Meg Trucano
Yep.
@34:40 - Rosie Pryor
Because like the other day I was talking with a friend and I you know and I was like I'm doing this thing and I keep getting like criticized on how I do this thing and it's like it's kind of breaking my heart and I feel like I should be really toughened up to this and it shouldn't hurt me as much and something's wrong with me right because that's that's always our number one is like well something's wrong with me.
@35:00 - Meg Trucano
this isn't working.
@35:01 - Rosie Pryor
Something's wrong with me if I don't want to go to this party. Something's wrong with me if I don't want to do this cooking, like I should be doing.
And she said, Rosie, you're an enneagram board. We do not. Criticism is not where we go. Like we grow by looking at our strengths.
So maybe this isn't the way you need to get feedback. Could that be an option? And I'm like just like, make don't go for the first of them anymore.
Like, wait, that's the thing. Just like you with the cooking. It's like, okay, so that's a door I can walk through.
Great. What other doors are there? let's see them. It's it's having that. And this is why I think it's so important to do this work.
So then we can carry it forward, not only for our kids, but for people in our circle, for the people that we work with, like for the groups that we work with, the people that we talk to, it's just like.
No, no, no, no, no, you're your idea of what's possible for you. Like, how I explain this, you've had those horse goggles on.
That's all you've been able to see. That's all you've been able to see. Do you want to take them off?
Because you're gonna, it's gonna, you're gonna have to adjust your sight. It's gonna be a period of adjustment. But once you do, you may have a whole force.
@36:24 - Meg Trucano
Yeah, it's not a good force.
@36:26 - Rosie Pryor
You know, like fairies live in there.
@36:32 - Meg Trucano
Fine and fairies. I love it. And yes, and that is, that is the heart and soul, I think, of what we both do.
And I, it sounds like that's the heart and soul of your newest endeavor, if you want to share a little bit about this.
@36:49 - Rosie Pryor
Yes, yes, I offer a course at starts. It's, it's every quarter, the next, the next cohort starts in May, but it's called.
the pivot code. And for me, you know, I grew up playing basketball, that's one of the, that's one of the core moves is the pivot, right?
you've got one foot on the floor and you're, you're moving your other leg around in all these different directions.
And from that point, from your stable point rooted on the ground, you can make anything happen within the game.
You can make any play happen. Any corridor is a possibility for greatness. And I believe that the pivot is something we don't honor enough.
It is that sacred in between space that needs, we need to know who we are. We've got to know who we are in order to extend ourselves out into the next iteration of ourselves.
think that it's so like we, and we have to, so I am a steward of that. I help people get from a very, very strong,
rooted and grounded in self trust like we talked about which is an under underutilized skill and go out to their zones of possibility like their zones of genius and find those okay so that is something that i'm offering it's a 10 week program starts in may you can find it on my website which is hey he y rosy ox.com hey rosy.com and so you can find all that information there and that that is my next like that that's the offering that i i am working on currently yeah okay that sounds so incredible and i think so valuable for so many people a right now but also you know into perpetuity this this is this is about that self trust as you mentioned but also that like just trust like trusting that like your effort your momentum your movement
@39:00 - Meg Trucano
else for something. This work counts for something and it's moving you toward better, better things, things that light you up, right?
And that that is worth something.
@39:13 - Rosie Pryor
And I, and what we were saying, and I heard this last week, I was at a speaker conference and what I heard was action precedes belief, right?
Like sometimes action has to precede beliefs. you have to do the thing before it actually, like before you can get to the belief in that.
And that's what I practice my whole life is like peeling back these layers, becoming my new health. And it's always been the action.
Like let's do the thing and then let the belief catch up. And it always does. But it just, the scary part is taking the step.
scary part is, is leaping and believing the net will appear, right? like that is that is the truth. That's the hardest part.
That's the work. And it's also like the flying is the greatest, most expansive part of the whole thing.
@40:10 - Meg Trucano
Yeah, I completely agree. So as a as a kind of wrap up to this this exceptionally beautiful conversation, I'm I'm wondering if you can speak directly to our listener who is harboring some like little little hope for change.
What whether that's getting over whether that is, you know, peeling back different kinds of layers to get to their authenticity.
What advice would you have for someone who wants to change and they just need a little a little advice to get started?
@40:44 - Rosie Pryor
Okay, so I'm going to give you one of my signature methodologies and that it's it's cup. So you just got to remember cup, right?
So the first thing is to celebrate. So the first thing is to celebrate everything you have done that you were proud of up to this point because we can't start from here.
We've got to start from like you know you can't start from below sea level. So what have you done?
What are you proud of? What are we celebrating today? That's how I would recommend like starting every day. Not only that but reaching out to someone connecting with someone who has made a difference in your life.
This is something we can do every day. Send a text to somebody who did something or said something that matters to you.
This gets you outside of yourself. It gets you connected to someone else when this work is so isolating it can be.
doesn't have to be but it can be and it feels so you know like it can feel so like you're just alone in the whole thing.
So I would say write a list of everything you're proud of. This activates the dopamine in your in your mind which is self-motivating.
So that's automatically going to spawn you into action like we talked about. action-free food clarity. So the second thing I would say is to unsubscribe.
Unplug from all the newsletters unplug from the people, the situations that if you are not lit the F up to go do it, don't do it.
That is your deepest and truest self trying to get to you. Are you gonna listen? Are you gonna go out and you're gonna go to the party where you cannot stand talk to these people so you got a dream.
Is that what you want to do? You know what I mean? So I would say unsubscribe so you're pulling out from all these different energy sources that are just draining you.
@42:41 - Meg Trucano
What's draining?
@42:42 - Rosie Pryor
Pull out. Pull out. Plug back into yourself. And then the last thing I would say is every day you are allowed to write yourself a permission slip.
What is something that you want to do that you have not set out loud? What can you give yourself permission to do today, you are the permission slip writer, you are writing and rewriting the story of your life.
You're the only one that can do that. You're the only one that can do that. And you have the power to do it.
Pin and paper. Today, I give myself permission to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for dinner. I give myself permission to not go to that school meeting.
I give myself permission to not volunteer. Here, I give myself permission to Thomas all day. I give myself permission to eat chocolate, not feel bad about it, not punish myself with the gym into these things.
are the permission slip writers like it's time to take the authority and agency back. Yep. So that's what the permission slip does.
So those are the things that I would recommend. So just remember cut.
@43:47 - Meg Trucano
I so love it. Rosie, that is just elegant and perfect. And I love that you started with celebration because that is something I think a lot of us either forget to
We were sort of gloss over, right? Um, unsubscribe like, oh, I just love it. That when that's some of my advice to is like, if you, you just really need to like get a clear listen to your own inner wisdom.
Be quiet for a little while. Don't, don't consume stuff. Just be. And that's real hard. That is real hard.
And I just, the permission slip, I'm writing myself like 10 in my head right now, permission slips. I love that advice and I am so grateful to you for coming on the Changeology Podcast.
for sure, we will have you back. want to dip into some more creativity stuff with you. Um, but thank you again for this beautiful conversation.
@44:54 - Rosie Pryor
Well, Meg, and I also just want to thank you and celebrate you for the work that you. doing in the world and for the lives that you are changing by doing this podcast.
just for being who you are, you know, like you're magnetic and I believe in the work that you're doing in the world.
So thank you.
@45:12 - Meg Trucano
Oh, thanks, Rosie. This has been so great. All right. And we will pop all of your links, all the ways that everyone can connect with Rosie and sign up for the pivot code.
If that's something that sounds awesome to you, because it sounds awesome. We'll just pop all of that in and definitely take a listen to the creative tapes.
Rosie is the host of that podcast. So thank you again, Rosie. And thank you for listening. And I will see you on the next episode of Changeology.